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Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:19:00 - [1] Edited by: Wild Rho on 30/11/2006 10:25:12 Originally by: Jim McGregor Meh. Your arguments are wrong. People were happy about Warp to 0 because they didnt have to copy bookmarks and lag down the server. We were happy because now we could travel like we always do without causing database lag. His arguments aren't wrong. If people were THAT worried that their bms were causing server problems they wouldn't make them. People are happy with warp to zero becuase it makes all travel anywhere safer and easier without having to make/purchase or otherwise acquire the bms before hand. They key word here is convenience. Originally by: Jim McGregor Warp to 0 is fantastic and good for Eve. It changes nothing compared to having loads of instas. And if you think people would stay with Eve if they had to slowboat to every gate in 0.0 and low sec... think again. It would be like if WoW didnt have mounts, and you would have to walk across the entire map to get somewhere. You think that would be fun for players? No you dont. :) Instas change everything. They completely ignore the balance issues of travel capacity over travel speed. They have only been added recently out of necessity due to the BM load having a noticable impact on the server performance. Slowboating is a misleading term when you get right down to it. A ship fitted for speed doesn't slow boat, it can cover the distance to the gate very quickly and be away. If the pilots smart and used scouts, intel or even his scanner before hand, gate camps do not become a major issue. Oh and people wouldn't quit, well some would but that happens after any major change to some degree or another. Claiming everyone will quit is nothing more than a scare tactic with no proof. Yes people would moan and cry about it, but in the end the smart would adapt to it first and everyone would follow in time until it became the norm. For long travel times, they are easily negated. Fit for speed. Use local markets instead of the one trade hub. Pay someone else to collect your goods for you. Warp to zero is popular becuase it removes the risk and need for alot of effort when traveling (in high, low or 0.0 space). It makes a players life easier so yes they will like it, that doesn't mean it makes the game better. I'll recognise why it was brought and I'll use it since I'm not gonna handicap myself but I don't agree with it and wouldn't miss it. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:28:00 - [2] Edited by: Wild Rho on 30/11/2006 10:30:16 Originally by: Taurequis It just changes the fact your not going to be able to gank that 1 noob every couple of hours who gets to your gatecamp (which you forgot to bubble) without instas. Big deal. Buy a bubble. They are on the market now. Taur It's strange how everyone who gets caught at a gate is in a shuttle, rookie ship, indy and always seems to be a "noob". Oh and bubbles are great and everything but not alot of use if you're in an empire war. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:47:00 - [3] Edited by: Wild Rho on 30/11/2006 10:51:12 Originally by: Jim McGregor Well, I cant speak for everyone, but it was very easy for me to go to the forum channel and find a bookmark seller that sold regions for 30 mill each. And people will always look to their own good in the game before looking to the good for the database. Now with Warp to 0, we get both. Yes but it cost you 30mil for them. You basically paid someone to make them for you. Now even that small level of interaction is gone. There is no cost for fast travel. I disliked insta bms as well but at least they weren't free (whether you paid in isk or time). Originally by: Jim McGregor Yes, instas change everything compared to not having instas, but Warp to 0 change nothing compare to instas. People already had loads of instas, so for them nothing changes. Well as before they may have had instas for certain routes now they have instas for everything, anywhere, anytime. Good or bad is a matter of perspective which is fair enough but for me that's not a good thing. Originally by: Jim McGregor Yes, but people cant fit for speed when they are trying to find someone to fight. What are they going to do when they find someone - tell them to hold on while they dock and refit for combat? If people want to move fast for combat they fly fast ships. It's all about balance (or should be). If you want alot of firepower and damage potential you should have to sacrfice speed and mobility, if you want more speed and mobility you pay the price with less firepower. If you want a fleet operating far from home you should have to setup some form of depot (whether we're talking about supplies in a nearby station, a pos or a collection of anchored cans at an ss). With warp to zero you get everything. Aside from the few seconds difference in alignment times, a fleet of BS moves as fast as a cruiser/frig pack. Don't take it personally, I don't have it in for anyone who likes warp to zero specifically but I'll always be against instas in any form simply because I see them as a means of negating a balancing aspect of Eve. EDIT: typo goblins struck again. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Jim McGregor So I would even go as far to say that Warp to 0 levels the playing field for everybody. Ah HA! Getting rid of instas would ALSO level the playing field, just in a different way I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.11.30 14:00:00 - [5] Edited by: Wild Rho on 30/11/2006 14:05:56 Originally by: Marquan Reflex Originally by: Wild Rho EDIT: typo goblins struck again. hehehe okie dokie lil duckie musta had the bandana on too tight again eh? .......... Originally by: Paladineguru WAAAa WWAAAAAAA we cant kill anything cause our brains are slow WAAAAAAAAAH I'd love you to point out where I said that. Making an argument isn't automatically whining. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.

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